Sprite Discovery Discussion

Okay so I'm currently working on a novel of a post (here for the character count) but this warrants a more immediate response since you've said some pretty insulting things. The old Gardevoir is twice the size of normal gardevoir - how is that in style with gardevoir? The newer gardevoir uses existing pieces from the actual gardevoir and is closer to what size is supposed to be: The first one is huge, misproportioned, and is missing detail.. How exactly is that better that the new one which is closer to what it's supposed to look like? I'm genuinely curious. This is honestly just flat out insulting. How could you possibly think this is an okay thing to say? We've revamped the megas to be closer to what they're actually supposed to look like while still keeping the poses fresh and not cookie-cut from official sources. I'm confused and upset as to how you can possibly think the old Altaria is an improvement when it looks NOTHING like altaria, or even mega altaria. Everything about it is incorrect, from the proportions to the coloration. How are they getting more bland and dull?? because they're not neon bright, they're now dull and bland??? The new melans are more in line with the patterns present in the shiny and normal. Again, this is flat-out insulting what about the art staff who worked HARD to make the sprites look more accurate? What about the months we spent working on color palettes to make sure things made sense? What about the hard work we pour into every ounce of the site to only recieve "the quality is dropping this looks gross." We're people too, and we try our best to listen to the community, but comments like this are incredibly hurtful and damage our motivation. We're people too. You don't see us throwing out this sort of thing to the userbase. That's your opinion, and it's fine, but I'm not seeing how this relates to canon megas. We haven't added ANYTHING to the canon mega rayquaza. Everything present on the sprite is present in the official art. Everything. We haven't added or subtracted anything. But... we do? We listen to them a lot. We've alter things based on community feedback all the time, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.. That you don't think we don't listen is also very hurtful. As far as developers and community interaction, we, as a development team, are VERY close to our customers/userbase and we're contantly interacting and listening to you guys. To hear otherwise is, quite honestly, baffling. If we didn't listen or WANT to listen, we wouldn't have this thread, the general feedback thread, the changelog thread would be locked, and we wouldn't have a discord server. Please, please, PLEASE don't ever insinuate we don't listen to the community, because I can assure you we do. While nice ideas, this thread is basically our "voting poll" - we gauge community feedback and adjust from there. We've already updated Electrike based on things said and we're still going through everything right now. Like I mentioned, I'm working on a massive response-post that breaks everything down, so it'll take a while for me to write up, proof read, etc. I'm sorry that it's taking so long, but again.. this post warranted an immediate response. As for art contests and suggestions, they share the same problem - we cannot accept anything from the community because there are ownership problems with them. We also have an image gallery which we showcase people's art, but it's not art we use for anything site-related. It's hard to not take something seriously when the art staff read everything and try to take criticism on board - I'm sorry you have a poor first impression but please don't make assumptions on how things are run if you admit you're new and don't know how things work. Again, being scared for an update is also quite honestly demoralising, but from the overall tone of everything, it feels like art staff can't do any right by the users. To hear that you have to 'pray for sinnoh' and ask us to not ruin something is incredibly hurtful. We know what we're doing, but we adjust things based on community feedback.

It's been stated before that our pokemon follow their own albinism and melanism. They follow the patterns of the normal and shiny, so if the shiny is pretty bright and saturated and has colors, the melan is going to be kinda colorful but still be dark enough to be what we consider 'melan'. I know this doesn't follow the definition of what's considered "melanistic" as you've pointed out, but changing the names for "albino" and "melanistic" is just going to be incredibly confusing if we uproot it now. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, but please don't claim that we're actively killing the market when there have been users that are in full support of the revamps. Don't claim something as a fact when it simply isn't - it kills it for you, and maybe some people that share your opinion, but it doesn't for "everyone", and to claim otherwise is an exaggeration. We're not going to lock anyone for simply disagreeing with us. We lock people if they break our rules on disrespect. If we were going to lock people for posting criticism.. why would we have so many threads open where users can provide feedback on certain features? Does that mean we're just looking to lock people because we have these threads open and lock whoever criticizes us? If anyone claims that we lock people simply for criticizing, I invite them to show me proof of that claim, because I too am sick of the claim that we're lock happy when someone disagrees with us. Okay, but saying we're "taking steps backwards" and "destroying the site" IS rude to the staff. Niet signs off on all projects at the end of the day, so does that mean he's responsible as well? How is saying "you're killing the site" not giving the STAFF a guilt trip? saying that you don't care about consistency is you effectively saying "I don't care how you guys say it works, I want it the way I like it" Criticise all you want, but don't be rude about it. That's all we ask for. You're saying you don't care about consistency, that we're backsliding, and actively destroying the site which is extremely rude. Don't say things look like trash and that you're disappointed. Offer constructive criticism on what should be improved. None of that was constructive, it was just being rude for the sake of being rude and then you cover it up by saying "you don't mean to be rude" as if saying those words somehow makes saying all of that okay. As mentioned before, I'm working on a massive post that adresses all the concerns put forward and I'm explaining things and sending things back to the team to work on. So please don't say we're barely doing anything when the exact opposite is happening. We're working on things, I promise you - we updated electikes and just now i'm having shazi look over metagross again after she adjusted swalot. If this were just a staff playground we would have no community interaction at all and refuse to listen to any sort of feedback. We're actively trying to improve and listen to what people are saying, so I'd appreciate if those assumptions were dropped. Garthic doesn't say things harshly, he says them bluntly - there's a very big difference between those two words. Harsh implies things being said cruelly or sharply, while blunt is getting straight to the point and not dancing around language. Harsh implies things with the intent to be cruel. Blunt implies things being said matter-of-factly. This thread is giving you guys a say in how they look - like I mentioned in a response to thrasher, I'm currently in the middle of typing up a large response addressing what people are saying, I'm just responding to the both of you first since there are certain things I need to clear up immediately. As mentioned, these sprites do not follow the patterns that were put forward, thus they were changed. We tries keeping similar colors but again, when you have a bright red shiny, the melan is not going to be pitch black. That doesn't work with the pattern we're following. I just want to point out that some of those animals aren't actually "melanistic". That squirrel isn't melanistic, but is infact a variant of the Gray squirrel That lion is photoshopped. Check here for more information. In terms of "Melanistic animals are black" - sure. They are. But this is Pokémon. Why should we have pokemon, something not grounded in reality, and who have such vivid colors just become completely black?