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Response to Thrasher
Okay so I'm currently working on a novel of a post (here for the character count) but this warrants a more immediate response since you've said some pretty insulting things.
The old Gardevoir is twice the size of normal gardevoir - how is that in style with gardevoir? The newer gardevoir uses existing pieces from the actual gardevoir and is closer to what size is supposed to be:
The first one is huge, misproportioned, and is missing detail.. How exactly is that better that the new one which is closer to what it's supposed to look like? I'm genuinely curious.
This is honestly just flat out insulting. How could you possibly think this is an okay thing to say? We've revamped the megas to be closer to what they're actually supposed to look like while still keeping the poses fresh and not cookie-cut from official sources. I'm confused and upset as to how you can possibly think the old Altaria is an improvement when it looks NOTHING like altaria, or even mega altaria. Everything about it is incorrect, from the proportions to the coloration.
How are they getting more bland and dull?? because they're not neon bright, they're now dull and bland??? The new melans are more in line with the patterns present in the shiny and normal.
Again, this is flat-out insulting what about the art staff who worked HARD to make the sprites look more accurate? What about the months we spent working on color palettes to make sure things made sense? What about the hard work we pour into every ounce of the site to only recieve "the quality is dropping this looks gross." We're people too, and we try our best to listen to the community, but comments like this are incredibly hurtful and damage our motivation. We're people too. You don't see us throwing out this sort of thing to the userbase.
That's your opinion, and it's fine, but I'm not seeing how this relates to canon megas. We haven't added ANYTHING to the canon mega rayquaza. Everything present on the sprite is present in the official art. Everything. We haven't added or subtracted anything.
But... we do? We listen to them a lot. We've alter things based on community feedback all the time, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.. That you don't think we don't listen is also very hurtful. As far as developers and community interaction, we, as a development team, are VERY close to our customers/userbase and we're contantly interacting and listening to you guys. To hear otherwise is, quite honestly, baffling. If we didn't listen or WANT to listen, we wouldn't have this thread, the general feedback thread, the changelog thread would be locked, and we wouldn't have a discord server. Please, please, PLEASE don't ever insinuate we don't listen to the community, because I can assure you we do.
While nice ideas, this thread is basically our "voting poll" - we gauge community feedback and adjust from there. We've already updated Electrike based on things said and we're still going through everything right now. Like I mentioned, I'm working on a massive response-post that breaks everything down, so it'll take a while for me to write up, proof read, etc. I'm sorry that it's taking so long, but again.. this post warranted an immediate response.
As for art contests and suggestions, they share the same problem - we cannot accept anything from the community because there are ownership problems with them. We also have an image gallery which we showcase people's art, but it's not art we use for anything site-related.
It's hard to not take something seriously when the art staff read everything and try to take criticism on board - I'm sorry you have a poor first impression but please don't make assumptions on how things are run if you admit you're new and don't know how things work.
Again, being scared for an update is also quite honestly demoralising, but from the overall tone of everything, it feels like art staff can't do any right by the users. To hear that you have to 'pray for sinnoh' and ask us to not ruin something is incredibly hurtful. We know what we're doing, but we adjust things based on community feedback.
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Looking at these two.. you can literally tell the sprite quality difference
And this is so dissappointing to see.
![](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447172522471981057/520794431172116532/unknown.png)
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"The quality dropping. You guys are ruining pokemon that people worked so hard for."
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"Now can we please talk about the melans getting more bland and dull?"
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" Looking at the orginal sprite compared to the newest makes me so sad for the people who have hunted so hard for what they wanted. To see its been altered from all their hard work."
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"For starters. Every fanmade mega on this site seems a bit overdone and much imo. For the ones that aren't they're beginning to make them a cluttered mess.
The team needs to learn you don't have to add 800 things on a mega to make it look cool."
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"Personally we really do think you guys need to try and listen to the users more!
There are so many ways to interact with the community and be able to come to even ground with every one here!"
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Things we could try!
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voting/polls
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(the whole community might like this!)
art contests
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(maybe small things to get peoples art featured or used on the site!)
suggestions
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(though ive heard people have said you guys cant take them)"
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"We are one of the newer people on this site so we can't say much other than we are dissappointed. And we hope things may be better in the future for this site. All of this is our opinion so it should'nt be taken too seriously. It's just things we've viewed, and its not a very good first impression but we're staying to see if things may get better.
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Though to be honest we are very scared for sinnoh...
Pray for Sinnoh...
Please don't ruin our Roserade....
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Response to FinalAbsolution
QUOTE originally posted by FinalAbsolution
I understand the Artistic Freedom of the staff, and that they put a lot of work into the new ''Melanistic'' Pokemon.
But they do not reflect how Melanistic Animals look, or how Melanism works in its entirety. We want Melanistic Pokemon to look Melanistic.
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There was a quote from a staff member a while back- I'm unable to quote it because of the fact that the thread has been archieved and locked (Img of quote)
Asking why we complain when a new thing is implemented while simutaneously asking for new things.
Put simply, we like it when new things don't look bad. Melans are not Melanistic now. I see where the art team is taking it, they're doing the exact opposite of how melanistics should look and they're taking the appeal out of melanistics entirely- actively killing the market for them and their site in its entirety. If people don't like the melans, they are going to leave, the entire point of PFQ is to hunt and hatch specials, with a few things on the side. Making your specials look bad makes your entire site look bad, and people are going to leave. I've seen people dance around the subject to avoid upsetting staff out of legitimate fear of an account lock for their criticisms and I'm actually sick of it.
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I don't care about your consistency, you're taking backwards steps and actively destroying your entire site in the process.
Saying "The staff has worked so hard" "It's rude to the staff" etc. Does not change anything. It's literally a guilt-trip and it only makes me even more infuriated about the mindset of a lot of this community. If something is bad and needs criticism, I'm going to criticize it.
We complain, because when new things are implemented, take forever to implement, then look like absolute trash, it's more than a little disappointing. I'm not meaning to be rude, or throw shade, or target the staff team.
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But there have been so many complaints about the new sprites already. Melan hunting is nearly dead as it is, these changes should make them better, not worse! In a month, sure there'll be less complaints- not because we think the sprites look any better, but because complaining is pointless when the staff barely does anything to make positive changes or take userbase opinions into account at all. PFQ feels more like a staff playground that they're 'graciously' letting us in than something that the users can actively influence because they care about the userbase. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong, yell at me, tell me I'm wrong straight to my face, show me solid proof.
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I'm a lot like Garthic in the way that I say things harshly, and sometimes people take them the wrong way because on the internet it's hard to argue and not come off as a terrible person. I am begging you- staff Keep the community updated, give us a say in how the melans look, and the upcoming features. If you want Pokefarm to survive these are things you need to do as site administrators. I fear for the future of PFQ if things keep going the way they're going now.
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