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Mikkü's AvatarMikkü
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I don't mind the change to the trims on the melans, I think I prefer the updated ones personally
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QUOTE originally posted by Mikkü

I don't mind the change to the trims on the melans, I think I prefer the updated ones personally
I personally just don't quite understand why the color changes so drastically. Original Kalos sprites as far as I remember, had the same colors (or very, very similar) of the trims, because it was a DYE, not a part of pokemon. Recently in pokemon Home the color changes slightly, with shiny trims being lighter than the ordinary coloration (which I personally despise but it's a me problem) but a shiny Star STILL remains light-blue, a shiny Heart is still pink So, why a melan Debutante remains yellow-ish and a melan Pharaoh goes from blueish to dark-purple??? A Star goes from light icy blue to bright turquoise?? Can someone explain me the choice? I'm just kinda... confused
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Shoutout to whoever let Litleo finally lose the staring contest!!! Yay yippee!!! Also I really like the new albino and melan colors :D And the base sprites themselves for Pyroar especially. The smooth swish on female Pyroar's mane?!?!? She's slaying! I do think I prefer the sort of cooler snowy white for the albinos and the more saturated blue and purple on the melan quite a bit. I'll admit I was a liiiittle worried but everything turned out quite nice imo! I looove albino Litleo's little blue nose, it's very cute.
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I do like the new furfrou sprites. I’m not mad because the melan colours still do look nice >_> The pharaoh trim is my fave melan! They look gorgeous.
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I appreciate the different colours for the trims, personally. I know it's just dye but also dye can behave differently on different colours of hair/fur! from what i can tell, some of the more blatant colour shifts might have been due to limited colour palettes? there are THREE blue trims after all, and trying to get 12 different shades can be difficult without leaning in one direction or the other on the colour scale. this is where the slightly more indigo la reine trim would be coming in, the more cyan star, and the lot more purple pharaoh just my 2 cents, though

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QUOTE originally posted by Çelestanê

Recently in pokemon Home the color changes slightly, with shiny trims being lighter than the ordinary coloration
okokokok, this gives me the opportunity to talk abt this bc it's something i've noticed when looking at the sprites and artwork for pokémon across gens. I've noticed that with a few of the newer updates to shinies (such as normal Tauros and, as mentioned, Furfrou) their color is based on the renders given in Pokémon Home. The problem I have with this, and I only came to this conclusion after close inspection of all available sprites and various artworks for Pokémon (thank you bulbapedia,) is that Pokémon Home is not always an accurate representation of what a Pokémon's shiny color should look like. Pretty much every shiny from Gens 1-6 in Pokémon Home has a very lightened/desaturated palette due to using the exact same shiny textures that were used initially in X and Y (Gens 7-9 did not desaturate their Pokémon, it was just the Gen 6 models,) where EVERY Pokémon had a very desaturated palette to look a little closer to the Sugimori art, which is a little desaturated in the Gen 1 and 3 Pokémon especially but imo not to the extent that some of them are portrayed in X and Y. Let me explain as best as I can (I apologize if this is confusing, I am Bad at putting thoughts into words.) In Pokémon X and Y, with the introduction of the 3D models, a majority of Pokémon appear washed-out and lighter than they were originally (some are more noticeable than others.) These models continued using this same palette up to Sword and Shield. Take, for example, Bulbasaur: As you can see, the color on the model here is much lighter and desaturated than the sprites from the previous generation. It matches more closely to the Sugimori artwork: However, this seems to have changed starting with Pokémon Home, as the palettes for the regular colored Pokémon are updated on their Home renders to be brighter and more colorful (you can see this especially in the bulb here): The color palettes on these updated Home renders match up with other official artworks of the Pokémon, such as the Global Link styled artwork, and even sometimes their sprites from Gen 5 (not so much for Bulbasaur here, since its exact colors have been inconsistent through the years, but it's easier to see on a Pokémon like Charmander [Home render]) However, Pokémon Home did not apply this same color update to the Shiny renders, using the same desaturated palettes that X and Y used: This is most easily noticeable with a Pokémon with black in its palette, has areas in its shiny that are the same as the regular Pokémon, or that has an open mouth. Generally speaking. these colors should not change between the shiny and the regular Pokémon, however Home seems to indicate they should, due to the regular render using updated colors and the Shiny render not. Let's take a look at Pikachu: The black ear tips and cheeks are waaaay lighter on the Shiny than the regular. Let's take a look at how they appear in Gens 6 and 7 and Sword and Shield: You'll notice the Shiny matches up a lot more with the desaturated palettes of these games. The black on the ears of the regular Pikachu are lighter, making the lighter color of the Shiny's ear tips less extreme, and the cheek colors are actually supposed to be the same! For comparison, these are the Gen 5 sprites, once again showing that the cheeks should be much more visible on the Shiny than what is shown in the Home render: You'll also notice the inside of the mouth is different in Home too. This is also due to the regular sprites getting a recolor- in reality, these should stay the same between the Shiny and normal palettes! Here's Shellder, who has its tongue sticking out (you'll also notice the difference between the black colored parts in the Home renders too!): This all applies to Furfrou too. Due to the updated colors of the regular Home render, it makes it seem like the Shiny trims should have a lighter palette, when in actuality they should be the same color, as portrayed in previous games: The colors of the updated regular render matches official artwork as well as the minisprites for Furfrou, so the brighter orange seen here should also be the version used on the Shiny Diamond Trim (just as an example:) so yeah sorry for the long post, but tl;dr pokémon home shouldn't be the main reference for shiny colors because they are using inaccurate palettes for a lot of pokémon. thank u for ur time, join me next time when i overanalyze every single pokémon sprite that got absolutely destroyed in the transition from gen 5 to gen 6 /j
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I can see Çelestanê's point that, as it's fur dye, the colours of the trims didn't necessarily need to change; but it's not necessarily a bad change in my book. It's not too terribly drastic. The new melan Pharaoh is the only one I'm not a fan of, blends a little too well, but I was always gonna go for melan Debutante anyway, so no big loss. Saying that, I might go for melan Star or Kabuki instead now? Very pop-y, those ones.
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I looove the new melans for litleo, as well as the albino!! Plus the fact that it's no longer staring directly into my soul lol. Buuttt honestly not sure how to feel about the some of the new melan furfrous. Some of the new melans have been awesome with contrasting colors that step away from the recent trend, but with these, some of them honestly feel like we're getting back into that "muddy melan recolor" territory imo. Some of them do the opposite, like the heart trim! I quite like that one! But for instance, debutante: It went from a gorgeous contrast to olive tones which give it a completely different feel. :( Personally I also liked the face color better originally, it makes the contrast nicer and makes more sense to me personally since melanism would make the face/feet darker, whereas now, the face/feet of the melan are lighter than the original.
(New melan compared to regular, non s/a/m sprite.) But I totally get not wanting to stick solely to irl logic with colors! It just made my brain feel good and I liked the way it meshed with the colors.
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as someone who wasn't on PF1...Hydreiglitch looks so cool! I've just started the event but the new Variants are really cool :3
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I absolutely can't believe the S/A/M forms were found this quickly (Also apparently a melan delta??, whoa and dragon type the best type), I haven't even finished my scours lol
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