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QUOTE originally posted by Cyndalavosion
... but Garthic doing this an hour later really just feels like this could've been pushed back at least an hour, or longer.
Niet, I think you missed the point. I'll try to explain it: You post in the changelog that "The option to show Shiny, Albino or Melanistic Pokémon icons using the [pkmn] BBCode has been removed." but didn't say it was not something permanent. In the changelog, where most of the things are permanant. And then say that Garthic would explain it later.
I do understand that you were upset and having trouble with your thought. But next time, please. Make sure that Garthic have prepare his explaination in advance. That's how you make sure that people wouldn't have "severe-to-extreme reaction", by having already the explaination ready to go. Not by having us wait one or two hours and panicking because we don't understand.
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QUOTE originally posted by Cyndalavosion
... but Garthic doing this an hour later really just feels like this could've been pushed back at least an hour, or longer.
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Of course people need to sleep! And that's why people have been saying to not make change when an explanation isn't ready. Garthic and Niet could have been sleeping for an hour or two and then do it. Or even better. next time a thing that minor have to happen, don't make any update in the changelog! We would have been ok just thinking there was a bug in the pkmn code for a while!
i think there may have been some fault on both sides; more on ours, though. as the old, cliche saying goes, patience is a virtue. niet said there would be more information. he delivered. all we had to do was wait a bit. yes, perhaps there should have been more words included in the original message that could have prevented people from panicking. the mods are still humans just like us. they can make mistakes.
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Again Terrabit, we have been 2 hours without knowing if it was a permanent change or not. The "Garthic will provide an explanation later. I simply do not have the words to describe the series of events leading to this decision.:" can be interpreted more than one way. Great, you did see it as a "it won't be permenant and Garthic would provide more information" but what more people say was "It won't work from now on and Garthic would explain why we won't using the minisprite s/a/m anymore". Maybe some people where too aggressive, that's not what I'm talking about. Explaination is better when it's giving beside the change not two hours later. People can't know when the explaination is given if there is no explaination. So it let people make assumption, and it's normal.
I don't know how long it took Niet to respond to the art staffs' issue after it happened, so having a prepared message might not have been possible from Garth, but even just mentioning it was a temporary fix would have doused the flames a good amount. The Changelog has only been used for permanent updates, and hasn't been used in a good while because of the switch to Dev Logs, so seeing the Changelog revived for this brought about the "worse case scenario" response.
At one point before Garth's response, someone commented on how all the staff were online at that time. Since Garth was asleep at the time, couldn't it have been possible to have any of the other staff members make the comment? That might have allowed for a reason to be given at the time of the update post, or at least much quicker then we got by needing Garth to be woken up to post.
Edit: Yes, we could have waited for Garth's response, but the way Niet worded the update, it gave me the same vibes a PM from a mod gives. The "you messed up so badly I'm about to ban you for a million years and I'm not even going to tell you why" vibe. So I think the player responses were just inline with the tone we got from Niet's message.
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Edit: Yes, we could have waited for Garth's response, but the way Niet worded the update, it gave me the same vibes a PM from a mod gives. The "you messed up so badly I'm about to ban you for a million years and I'm not even going to tell you why" vibe. So I think the player responses were just inline with the tone we got from Niet's message.
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The least a user that enjoys this site could do is give the staff some respect, there are tons of f2p players here so 'we give them our money lol' is a dumb thing to mention lol.
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