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@Camwoodstock; The shop isn't "useless", it doesn't have a purpose to be implemented at the moment. Why have an entire page dedicated to only Evolution items? Selling can already be done through the inventory, and accessories will be sellable at the Contest Hall. (If I read that correctly on it's page.) And now, a few responses to your issues:
@EmeraldSpencer; That's a good idea! I think that PF1 was similar to that? Every day the shop would swap out its evolution item stock.
Correct me if I'm wrong on that, it's pretty vague now. >w<"
To make the post shorter. :)
> If you compare the amount of Pokemon that evolve through other means than evolution items, it's quite a big difference. As well as the fact that there are more than a few people who hoard more than one species of Pokemon, which allows them to grow a hoard that they wouldn't have spent as much time on.
> All of the staff members are volunteer, they know that things will change. Just like how the egg sprites have changed, and how many Albino and Melanistic sprites are being made/updated. I believe that those shop doors were made by Novan-Chan(?
Sorry if I got this wrong!
), and they are meant to be temporary, it was to say, "Hey, the shop is coming soon!"
> Even if you are 'banned' from the forums and trades, you did something to break the rules. It's your fault for not following them...
> Evolution stones are in A shop, not multiple shops in the the games.
> The staff isn't telling anyone to do their work, why would someone willing to sell their evolution items be dictated by the staff? It's the users choice to do so.
> There are Scour Boosts for a reason, and they are easy to get on a Ledah Day with a GP Discount and clicking to get GP on FabuFridays.Hopefully your Zorua comment in the video wasn't in response to my post? D: All I did was ask why it was blue since I've always noticed that but never knew or asked. :P
I like the explanation, though. It's clever!
Edit: Actually...from what I saw in the thread, it didn't seem that anyone was complaining about Zorua's egg. They were just asking. :\
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@EmeraldSpencer; aye, it would indeed be better off as a suggestion! Move it there~
Out of curiousity... Why were you two making that video on a walk? owo Where were you even going?
Anyways, super excited for all this stuff coming up!! <3 And congratulations on completing the recode, Niet!
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QUOTE originally posted by Camwoodstøck
I'm sorry, but I REALLY don't like this idea that the shop is "useless" because of user trade shops, and I'm sick of having to hold back my stress about this topic.
• People who hoard Pokemon that evolve via evolution stones are officially screwed now that there's no such thing as bulk purchases.
• The art staff's work on the shop doors for when it was simply down for renovating? It's all rendered moot now. All that effort is simply wasted. Imagine putting your heart and soul into something and the person who told you to make it tore it to shreds with no reaction. You'd be upset!
• It's now possible to be banned from the shop. Not just via shop blacklists, no. I mean, trade bans & forum bans now make it IMPOSSIBLE to buy the shop. So now, you can feasibly be banned fom what was a core mechanic. And god forbid you run a shop, too; you can feasibly be banned from your own shop now. And that would just be cruel irony back in pre-recode or PF1, but now that the official shop is branded "useless" in favor of these, it really, really stings.
• Don't want to buy from a shop? You're forced to pray to RNGsus that that scour mission brings back an evolution item, or a box with one inside. And if you didn't get the one you wanted, you're forced to wait for an entire hour before even having a chance.
• The argument that it being there for people who don't like interactions being a bad argument... is a bad argument; social anxiety is a serious issue, but the difference between interracting for a shop and interracting with someone's Pokemon is you don't need to approach that person personally to even interract with them. They are two vastly different things, one of which is one that dones't require triggering social anxieties by approaching someone directly and having to write them a message asking if you can buy something from them. And I sincerely hope you can tell which one that is.
• Saying it's more "fun" is also absurd. Imagine if in the regular games, you could only find Potions in the item balls in the overworld, or via Pickup, and the Pokemarts were entirely gone. It'd be misery! You'd be forced to know someone who plays the game, or buy a different copy and possibly a new game system that can play it, just in the pursuit of extra potions, and thusly, to even play the game properly. What you find fun, others might find unbearable to have to do.
•I get the idea of increasing awareness in trade shops, and I get the idea of increasing player-to-player activity, but forcing it is just a horrible way of going about it. And before you say trade evolutions already force player-to-player activity, that stuff usually doesn't require a payment of in-game items, and takes a mere trust exercise in strangers, and even if said stranger screws you over, you can actually report it.
• No, evolution stones ARE in the shops in the games, so don't say they weren't. Celadon city did this explicitly since without a merchant in the games to sell the evolution stones, they would become finite items and it'd be possible to screw yourself out of a maximum PokeDex, even with both games and 2 consoles, provided you burnt all your evolution stones of one type on one evolution when you didn't have the other one's evolution.
• While it's likely not intentional, it REALLY comes off as a blatantly telling people who run these shops to do the work for the staff. Again, I don't think that's what the message was meant to be, but it REALLY comes off as though the staff is forcing people who own these trade shops to be the ones to sell these items, as opposed to having to create a recoded shop.
• And it wouldn't even be so bad if evolution items were common as dirt. If you got them easily through boxes or scours, or you purchased them from the Lab or Wishforge, I might be less obligated to complain. But no such luck; they're still rare/you get a wonderful reward of a 1-4 berries, or even worse, nothing.
This entire idea of removing the shop does nothing positive, and everything it does hurts the game for everybody in some fashion. I guess I can understand some of the logic to it, but the thing is that that logic is completely flawed in my opinion.
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People who hoard Pokemon that evolve via evolution stones are officially screwed now that there's no such thing as bulk purchases.
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The art staff's work on the shop doors for when it was simply down for renovating? It's all rendered moot now. All that effort is simply wasted. Imagine putting your heart and soul into something and the person who told you to make it tore it to shreds with no reaction. You'd be upset!
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It's now possible to be banned from the shop. Not just via shop blacklists, no. I mean, trade bans & forum bans now make it IMPOSSIBLE to buy the shop. So now, you can feasibly be banned fom what was a core mechanic. And god forbid you run a shop, too; you can feasibly be banned from your own shop now. And that would just be cruel irony back in pre-recode or PF1, but now that the official shop is branded "useless" in favor of these, it really, really stings.
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Don't want to buy from a shop? You're forced to pray to RNGsus that that scour mission brings back an evolution item, or a box with one inside. And if you didn't get the one you wanted, you're forced to wait for an entire hour before even having a chance.
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The argument that it being there for people who don't like interactions being a bad argument... is a bad argument; social anxiety is a serious issue, but the difference between interracting for a shop and interracting with someone's Pokemon is you don't need to approach that person personally to even interract with them. They are two vastly different things, one of which is one that dones't require triggering social anxieties by approaching someone directly and having to write them a message asking if you can buy something from them. And I sincerely hope you can tell which one that is.
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Saying it's more "fun" is also absurd. Imagine if in the regular games, you could only find Potions in the item balls in the overworld, or via Pickup, and the Pokemarts were entirely gone. It'd be misery! You'd be forced to know someone who plays the game, or buy a different copy and possibly a new game system that can play it, just in the pursuit of extra potions, and thusly, to even play the game properly. What you find fun, others might find unbearable to have to do.
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I get the idea of increasing awareness in trade shops, and I get the idea of increasing player-to-player activity, but forcing it is just a horrible way of going about it. And before you say trade evolutions already force player-to-player activity, that stuff usually doesn't require a payment of in-game items, and takes a mere trust exercise in strangers, and even if said stranger screws you over, you can actually report it.
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No, evolution stones ARE in the shops in the games, so don't say they weren't. Celadon city did this explicitly since without a merchant in the games to sell the evolution stones, they would become finite items and it'd be possible to screw yourself out of a maximum PokeDex, even with both games and 2 consoles, provided you burnt all your evolution stones of one type on one evolution when you didn't have the other one's evolution.
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While it's likely not intentional, it REALLY comes off as a blatantly telling people who run these shops to do the work for the staff. Again, I don't think that's what the message was meant to be, but it REALLY comes off as though the staff is forcing people who own these trade shops to be the ones to sell these items, as opposed to having to create a recoded shop.
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And it wouldn't even be so bad if evolution items were common as dirt. If you got them easily through boxes or scours, or you purchased them from the Lab or Wishforge, I might be less obligated to complain. But no such luck; they're still rare/you get a wonderful reward of a 1-4 berries, or even worse, nothing.
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Now, due to the nature of the recode, and the fact that many features are being cleaned up and rewritten
QUOTE originally posted by Houndoom Heart
I 100% agree with this! How can you guys claim the recode is complete when there's no shop!?
This is going to likely sound creepy. Niet's even told me as such before. But I love you guys. And I love you Garth. So much. I agree with you. Evolution items/stones...they were never easy to get in any of the games. But this isn't like the games. Not at all. It is a lot more relaxing. And I'd gladly make you a milkshake Garth. I know you *probably* live in Britain, but Steak-n-Shake's milkshakes are amazing and have a ton of variety. And even with the 'slow' moving forward in the recode, I enjoyed it. It was fun waiting, and being surprised with whatever Niet came up next. I look forward to playing on here for a looooooong time. And thanks for explaining the banned from shop thing a bit more.
(Although I still don't properly understand it. Eh.)
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QUOTE originally posted by Morzone
Is it correct to assume the contests are in the same stage as battling, fishing, and the dojo are? As in it's still a thing, but isn't going to be compeleted at a time relevant enough to still be part of the recode?
At least not after the video was posted, I only searched back that far in the thread, sorry
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Oh good grief. No one needs 500 fire stones. I am a Vulpix hoarder, and while I keep every fire stone I get my hands on, I would not want to spend all my credits on evolving my hoard. I'm fine with just having Vulpix. Don't use us as your defense please.
I'm still waiting for that dungeon feature Noot mentioned in a livestream to get made. It sounded fun.
QUOTE originally posted by Morzone
QUOTE originally posted by Morzone
Is it correct to assume the contests are in the same stage as battling, fishing, and the dojo are? As in it's still a thing, but isn't going to be compeleted at a time relevant enough to still be part of the recode?
At least not after the video was posted, I only searched back that far in the thread, sorry
.QUOTE originally posted by Mystera
Don't use us as your defense please.
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