Implementing A 'Block' Feature
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QUOTE originally posted by Colorful
Personally, I don't think forums should be affected further then what they have been already, if it's a blanket situation. Having the person's post hideboxed is perfect for me. If they post on an art or trade thread of mine, I will have to (unfortunately) set up a DNC with them, in that instance.
I think there's too many complications with how the forums are set up to really effectively implement what's being discussed right now. (Not being able to post in a person who's blocked you's thread). Having to factor in so many different things, like suggestion forums, typerace threads, contests, giveaways, joint trade shops, etc is just... quite a bit. If it's possible to look back on the "compromise" I made in version 2.0, then I'd be more willing to let forums be affected.
If said compromise is possible and not a massive pain to figure out (or even impossible) then we would still have some fringe cases (like trade shops) to figure out, but it's more managable to think about then how many multiples of cases we were considering before.
Table of my ideas of forum threads that would and would not be affected
Forum categories that will not be affected; | Form threads that will be affected; |
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Announcements & all subcategories | Journals & all subcategories |
Suggestions & all subcategories | Trades & all subcategories |
Help & all subcategories | Battles & all subcategories |
Bugs & all subcategories | Pokemon RP & all subcategories |
Discussion & all subcategories | Pokemon FF & all subcategories |
Guides | Pokemon Art & all subcategories |
Contests & all subcategories | Misc. Pokemon |
Clans | Other RP & all subcategories |
Other Clans & all subcategories | Other FF & all subcategories |
Form Games | Original Fiction & all subcategories |
Mature Discussion | Other Art & all subcategories |
Mature Clans | Miscellaneous |
-- | Mature RP & all subcategories |
-- | Mature Fiction & all subcategories |
-- | Mature Art & all subcategories |
-- | Mature Journals |
QUOTE originally posted by Whit
But that doesn't stop someone else, who's opinion differs from mine, from using the feature ON ME without my permission or without any communication and thus triggering me and impacting my ability to participate in this community, should the forums be affected at all.
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QUOTE originally posted by funeraljorts
QUOTE originally posted by Whit
But that doesn't stop someone else, who's opinion differs from mine, from using the feature ON ME without my permission or without any communication and thus triggering me and impacting my ability to participate in this community, should the forums be affected at all.
This is generally @Whit fyi! Though I would like to hear others ideas on a spam box instead of just the DMs being deleted?
I think a spam box could be a good suggestion, its a decent compromise. I'm just generally not sure how many people are really that against the idea of PMs just not going through, I suppose. I know for sure you are, Whit, and that's fine, but I'm kind of thinking about majority kinda thing here.
Also, other peoples criticisms of how you speak are completely valid. Even if they don't maintain perfect composure like I try too. I agree with most of them, that some of your comments come off as incredibly uncomfortable and at least mildly guilt trippy, and that it's difficult to have a discussion with you without just bending over to your insistence that you're being wronged, hurt, or invalidated in some way -- it's frustrating and exhausting.
For the most part, this feature is just kind of going to be a "too bad" kind of thing in a lot of ways. Of course I'd like to try and compromise as much as I can with you and others who may share your concern, but sometimes it's just not fully possible. If there are people who are using the block feature to en mass exclude you, or if they have found a way to weaponize it, I would seriously hope that you're comfortable reporting to staff and having them help out in some way. You should not be harassed and attacked. But if people are uncomfortable with you, or find they dislike speaking with you, and they're not spreading around hate lists or trash talking you, not talking behind your back, and they block you... that's something you're just going to have to deal with. Both on PFQ and off.
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Quiet nature collector.QUOTE originally posted by Colorful
This is generally @Whit fyi! Though I would like to hear others ideas on a spam box instead of just the DMs being deleted?
I think a spam box could be a good suggestion, its a decent compromise. I'm just generally not sure how many people are really that against the idea of PMs just not going through, I suppose. I know for sure you are, Whit, and that's fine, but I'm kind of thinking about majority kinda thing here.
Also, other peoples criticisms of how you speak are completely valid. Even if they don't maintain perfect composure like I try too. I agree with most of them, that some of your comments come off as incredibly uncomfortable and at least mildly guilt trippy, and that it's difficult to have a discussion with you without just bending over to your insistence that you're being wronged, hurt, or invalidated in some way -- it's frustrating and exhausting.
For the most part, this feature is just kind of going to be a "too bad" kind of thing in a lot of ways. Of course I'd like to try and compromise as much as I can with you and others who may share your concern, but sometimes it's just not fully possible. If there are people who are using the block feature to en mass exclude you, or if they have found a way to weaponize it, I would seriously hope that you're comfortable reporting to staff and having them help out in some way. You should not be harassed and attacked. But if people are uncomfortable with you, or find they dislike speaking with you, and they're not spreading around hate lists or trash talking you, not talking behind your back, and they block you... that's something you're just going to have to deal with. Both on PFQ and off.
QUOTE originally posted by Whit
I wouldn't, and thats the point. What I'm fighting against is what I've seen some people suggest in the first place: That the option to PM dissapears altogether. And the spam box was my suggestion, so of course I'd be comfortable with it.
No justification is needed to simply ignore however when it gets to the point that a user is literally unable to post in a thread that is public and available to everyone else on site- then a justification matters. You cannot pick and choose who you give access to when something is public. You cannot discriminate like that. I find doing so to be immoral.
QUOTE originally posted by funeraljorts
I think the spam filter is a good compromise. If a blocked user is abusing it, and attempting to harrass the user that blocked them, the blocker would still be able to report it with substantial evidence.
On a lighter note, if a blocked user were to reach out, and attempt to make an apology, of come to an understanding, the blocker would still have the option to either continue ignoring them or discuss further with the blocked user to see if they can come to an agreement.
QUOTE originally posted by Agent8
what about bids placed in auctions?
i cant exactly decline someones bid dueing an auction.
scenario a) im asleep or otherwise afk, blocked user posts a bid, they get outbid, they bid again it goes on and the price gets higher, theyre still highest bid
scenario b) blocked user outbids someone, that someone goes on to spend their money thinking they lost the auction anyways since they cant bid higher
i can only see a blocking feature working for this otherwise not sure what to do
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Abuse seems to be a key part in why people want this feature, and abuse is an incredibly tricky subject. People are going to have different limits, and different triggers. Some may just see their post hideboxes, and be able to ignore it or do business without too much issue, and some may have to go offline for a while and recover.
I feel we're currently testing everyones limits, and we need to find something that will keep people safe, without limiting others too heavily. I personally wouldn't want an abuser reading my journal, at all, but I could do business if I needed or wanted to.
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QUOTE originally posted by Whit
I think our defintiions of personal forums are different. I do not see publicly-operating shops, miscelenaious section discussions, and some of the other marked threads as perosnal. I see them as public. and still id prefer the block be undetectable-- meaning the ability to post where any other user can post, so that there is no error that clues you in to having been blocked by someone.
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