Okay I feel much better about this now, as I apparently completely messed up my math. I'm not sure what I'd done, but my math had set the new values as less than they would have been previously using nincada. That's my bad! But Logically, maybe not. But Pokemon has never exactly followed real world logic. I mean, after all, skitty and wailord are capable of breeding. But they're both evolved from eevee. The point I'm trying to make is that they would exclusively make eevee eggs, it isn't a case like two different evolution lines where they would be less compatible due to fighting over genes. It feels like an unnecessary inconvenience to apply real-world logic to pair-making when it wasn't previously there.

okay, I really thought that *all* of the DP was being lowered, but this makes more sense! thankies Elta!!

I'm confused on why people thought DP was being lowered? I'm pretty sure it was stated pretty clearly in the main post multiple times that albinos and shinies are getting buffed for DP and the melans are getting nerfed. I just don't understand what could have caused that reading error.

I don't know if I was counted in this, but just to clarify on my part since I was one of the recent posts, I didn't think that it was being lowered! My mistake was that I did my math wrong, and thought that even with the buff to DP values, nincada would be worth less than ninjask and shedinja would now. So I think it's only one person thinking DP as a whole is getting nerfed, unless I've missed someone! I can't speak for them, though ;u; Maybe they misread based on the melan nerf?

When people are confronted with major change, be it better or worse for us personally, the process of dealing with it is very similar to the 7 stages of grief. At least that is how a former work place announced we employees would need to process major changes we were experiencing. They even offered us counselling. I consider these discussions similar to that. Our brains seem to get all scrambled up, and then we just need time to work through it. Some cannot even ever deal with big changes and so they move on instead. The 7 Stages of Grief. (Not everyone goes through through all the steps or in the exact same order) Shock. Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Testing. Acceptance. Sounds kinda familiar, no?

Being bad at percentages, I though the shiny/albino trade-in boost would be a lot less - I interpreted +150% as equivalent to just +50%, so 12 would become 18; and as a side effect, I thought anything sub-+100% would be a lowering. So I can see where people as bad at it as me are coming from, especially as most of them are like half my age lol

TBH I think Elta's chart should be put in the main post above or below where the DP value change is discussed.

I slept on it thinking about the V-wave boost to breeding, I think over all the boost would help in hunting, as more eggs would be available. And be a way of helping there be more eggs available during the Type-affinity Tournament, as I have run into snags having a harder time finding my hunted pkmn due to that but this should even that out. I am curious the impact it will be on Type Race though, as sometimes a team will luck out and have a double or triple v-wave in row. However those teams currently haven't always won just plain due to a boost in egg hatching. Still depends on how much a team is willing to come to together and work to hatch eggs and produce them. But I can see where some may be worried about landslide victories, as it is common sadly for 'defeatism' to crop up which does make it harder on those that love to work hard and compete. But I still don't think it would be a negative boost, more eggs = more hatching no matter the team. So very curious about V-wave boost in breeding. As for this point here: I find myself agreeing with Enbees. I can't seem to make sense of favouring 'species' over 'Evolution line'. Not because of it feeling weird. Or even Aesthetics. I can use nature science as well, take the Combee or rather the honey bee. The queen is in appearance and Size quite a bit different than the other bees, simply due to her function in breeding mass eggs. Going into some reptiles (Salandit line) the females of some species can be larger than the males due to clutch sizes. Just to add a real world element there. That aside yeah Pokemon has never followed real-world logic, skitty/wailord is pretty on point there in their example. But your point here: Is valid, in the sense that no we don't need to hyper fixate on getting the maxed out percentage. However people will fixate on it, cause people tend want the best pair for their hunts, to make it a little easier on breeding or and more likely due to liking seeing a prefect number cause it's therapeutic/or will chill out an OCD brain. I am not really either but understand that can come into play. People be people, we want strive for perfection in something we have control in, as with real life we don't have that kind of control. So squeezing the percentages is what people do. As for myself I'm content as it's still a boost in the daycare. I don't see the logic of 'real world logic' coming into play without factoring in Nature science as well, but I can see where that might just be me.

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TLDR: Over all curious about the V-wave boost to egg making and the overall boost to the daycare. And in the alignment of preferring 'evolution line' to be more considered over 'species', but it is not the end of the world if it slants to 'species'. ^^

This is a very good point!! Like, even at the moment, it's not particularly difficult to get a total of 100%+ after modifiers, but people still seek out 99% pairs simply because they want to have the max possible percentage. Plus, with the change to eggs in which percentages over 100 will affect the possibility of a second egg, that'll give people even more motivation to want the highest possible base compatibility so that they can get it as high as possible after modifiers! :)

Thank you Niet, im sorry if i came off as rude. Thank you for removing empty parties in the furure :)