Sprite Discovery Discussion
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QUOTE originally posted by CQHerosteve
Melans and albinos are not a game machanic, that is just a random chance and it doesn't really effect how the game is played. It's how YOU use them, but not the base game. Shinies don't get a special boost for being shiny, they just are a different color. You can always sell them off if you don't like it, because there are people who do OR just some who are trying to collect them all.
You don't hate a good car brand because it's a bad car, it acts just the same as if it had a better color.
You can stop playing if you want, but I'm not letting something this small stop me from playing a Pokemon game. And I'm leaving this off here.
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I know we complained about the last update but here we are again.
we hate to be the person to say this but
This update is not very good in our opinion
The quality of the art.
Looking at these two.. you can literally tell the sprite quality difference
And this is so dissappointing to see.
The original really looks like something you'd see in your updated hoenn remake. But this looks like someone who isn't the best at sprite making made.
The colors, we aren't very sad about its more of. The quality dropping. You guys are ruining pokemon that people worked so hard for.
Now can we please talk about the melans getting more bland and dull?
Some of the color schemes are making the pokemon stand out less and less.
The colors are starting to make the pokemon less pleasing to the eye, or just not even noticeable in the first place. Looking at the orginal sprite compared to the newest makes me so sad for the people who have hunted so hard for what they wanted. To see its been altered from all their hard work.
Everything is beginning to be so cluttered...
For starters. Every fanmade mega on this site seems a bit overdone and much imo. For the ones that aren't they're beginning to make them a cluttered mess.
The team needs to learn you don't have to add 800 things on a mega to make it look cool.
Personally we really do think you guys need to try and listen to the users more!
There are so many ways to interact with the community and be able to come to even ground with every one here!
Things we could try!
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voting/polls
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(the whole community might like this!)
art contests
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(maybe small things to get peoples art featured or used on the site!)
suggestions
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(though ive heard people have said you guys cant take them)
Overall
We are one of the newer people on this site so we can't say much other than we are dissappointed. And we hope things may be better in the future for this site. All of this is our opinion so it should'nt be taken too seriously. It's just things we've viewed, and its not a very good first impression but we're staying to see if things may get better.
Though to be honest we are very scared for sinnoh...
Pray for Sinnoh...
Please don't ruin our Roserade....
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I understand the Artistic Freedom of the staff, and that they put a lot of work into the new ''Melanistic'' Pokemon.
But they do not reflect how Melanistic Animals look, or how Melanism works in its entirety. We want Melanistic Pokemon to look Melanistic.
There was a quote from a staff member a while back- I'm unable to quote it because of the fact that the thread has been archieved and locked (Img of quote)
Asking why we complain when a new thing is implemented while simutaneously asking for new things.
Put simply, we like it when new things don't look bad. Melans are not Melanistic now. I see where the art team is taking it, they're doing the exact opposite of how melanistics should look and they're taking the appeal out of melanistics entirely- actively killing the market for them and their site in its entirety. If people don't like the melans, they are going to leave, the entire point of PFQ is to hunt and hatch specials, with a few things on the side. Making your specials look bad makes your entire site look bad, and people are going to leave. I've seen people dance around the subject to avoid upsetting staff out of legitimate fear of an account lock for their criticisms and I'm actually sick of it.
I don't care about your consistency, you're taking backwards steps and actively destroying your entire site in the process.
Saying "The staff has worked so hard" "It's rude to the staff" etc. Does not change anything. It's literally a guilt-trip and it only makes me even more infuriated about the mindset of a lot of this community. If something is bad and needs criticism, I'm going to criticize it.
We complain, because when new things are implemented, take forever to implement, then look like absolute trash, it's more than a little disappointing.
I'm not meaning to be rude, or throw shade, or target the staff team. But there have been so many complaints about the new sprites already. Melan hunting is nearly dead as it is, these changes should make them better, not worse! In a month, sure there'll be less complaints- not because we think the sprites look any better, but because complaining is pointless when the staff barely does anything to make positive changes or take userbase opinions into account at all. PFQ feels more like a staff playground that they're 'graciously' letting us in than something that the users can actively influence because they care about the userbase. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong, yell at me, tell me I'm wrong straight to my face, show me solid proof.
I'm a lot like Garthic in the way that I say things harshly, and sometimes people take them the wrong way because on the internet it's hard to argue and not come off as a terrible person. I am begging you- staff Keep the community updated, give us a say in how the melans look, and the upcoming features. If you want Pokefarm to survive these are things you need to do as site administrators. I fear for the future of PFQ if things keep going the way they're going now.
Melans in point from the wiki:
I am fond of the new sprites. Sure, there are some I'm not really a fan and what not. I'm not going to get into albinos, melans and shinies since uh..a bit worried about saying the wrong thing to be honest. (That and I really want to avoid being dragged into a possible argument...sorry guys) I do want to say I do appreciate the work the art team did!
However, there are a few sprites that I'm a little bit confused of in terms of their looks and what not. Not specifically the albinos/shinies/melans but more so the the sprites of the megas and what not. I hope you don't mind if I ramble about a couple but point out things that bothered me in a respectful matter ^^'
Rambling
I'm not really a fan of Mega's Sceptile tail here. I think the other parts of Sceptile works fine for what is being achieved! However, there's something off about Mega Sceptile that I can't seem to ignore. The red leaf on the tip of the right arm does blend into the stinger of Sceptile and it took me a while to notice the fact this sprite did have the seeds on its tail. The large green tree part of the tail shape doesn't feel right. This is the one sprite I'm going to honestly see I'm not a fan of it.
I love Mega Swampert. Only issue I have with this one is the shading on the right gill on its face. There's a light orange area that I'm not sure why it's there since it seems off when you compare it to the shading of the other elements of the sprite. I think the digits in between the toes could be a bit darker but that's about it.
I'm not a fan of this pose and I believe it's mostly because of how that tail curls the way it does. I'm not really sure if it works with how Kyogre starts of and it almost feels uncomfortable. To me, it looks it's either ready to fall back or bend over. It just doesn't feel right.
I feel there's too much shading going on for this. At least when I look at normal Metagross. It does feel a bit squished but honestly it's just the shading that mostly bothers me. However, after looking at Mega Metagross, the squish feeling I'm getting could be due to the size and the angle of the pose.
Pretty sure everyone talked about this one. Ha. I do love the updated version of Rayquaza. However, the tendrils are a bit much and make it hard to read the sprite. I know a user above mentioned it but it does feel too cluttered. When looking at the previous version, I like that one since it seemed like it had more room to breathe.
I have a feeling calling things "trash," "disgusting," or that the staff is "ruining," / "taking backwards steps," is the exact way you get staff to lock up, circle the wagons, and double down on keeping the sprites the same they are right now.
The staff is open. The staff is always here - I don't see as much of Shazi recently, but I've seen Sei, Garth, and Niet around almost every day and Shazi around often enough for me to mention.
You want staff that doesn't listen? Go play a site like Dragcave - where suggestions have sat without creator input for years, get locked and can't be discussed, etc. That's what a site with unapproachable staff looks like.
While I may not agree with some of the color choices - they're trying. And they WILL listen if you point things out in a rational way.
The staff has changed sprites in the past - Houndoom's line was changed after Johto was released. They do listen. Because people were civil about it.
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The thing is, a lot of us are trying to say things civilly. Yes, sometimes it's hard when you're upset (and rightfully so.) Heck, I tried to suggest being able to use legacy sprites for a fee and others have tried too, with little success. If the mods are around, it would be great to hear from them and hear on paper that they see we are upset.
EDIT: I believe in being respectful towards the mods and being respectful of the artists. I LOVE this site. I loved the old melans, and some of the new ones too. It's just that I know I, as well as many others, worked hard for something and it's unfair to have it taken away.
QUOTE originally posted by brindlefinch
I have a feeling calling things "trash," "disgusting," or that the staff is "ruining," / "taking backwards steps," is the exact way you get staff to lock up, circle the wagons, and double down on keeping the sprites the same they are right now.
The staff is open. The staff is always here - I don't see as much of Shazi recently, but I've seen Sei, Garth, and Niet around almost every day and Shazi around often enough for me to mention.
You want staff that doesn't listen? Go play a site like Dragcave - where suggestions have sat without creator input for years, get locked and can't be discussed, etc. That's what a site with unapproachable staff looks like.
While I may not agree with some of the color choices - they're trying. And they WILL listen if you point things out in a rational way.
The staff has changed sprites in the past - Houndoom's line was changed after Johto was released. They do listen. Because people were civil about it.
Guys enough, continue with your opinions of course. But you do have to realise this is a very small team. I'm not sure how many times staff can keep saying it. I'm not even art staff and some of the comments from this thread are for lack of a better word, demoralising.
Opinions are great; feedback is great. But not when you're doing what Brindle put forward.
They're reading your comments now, and yeah. Give them a moment. Some of these comments are hitting hard. They need time.
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I realize I may have come off as harsh. I'm not meaning to- I'm very upset and out of my normal mindset. If any of the art team takes offense to what I've said I'd like to encourage them to personally DM me (or even physically call me on Discord so I can get my voice and tone across because tone will be taken the wrong way over text) and we can talk about it because I'm genuinely not trying to be offensive. They're doing hard work, and the melans don't look all bad, per-say, and I feel that calling them trash was way too harsh on them. What I was trying to get across is that, to me, the melans do not look like melans. I don't care how good or bad they look when I can't even call them melanistic by definition.
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