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This turned out rather long but some things need to be said.
I'll start by saying that I click everything - parties and fields alike. I usually do about 250-300K interactions daily, about 20K of which are parties, which I think is a decent amount. First thing I do when logging in after reset is to charge my egg timer with party clicks. Then I start mass clicking but I continue to do party clicks throughout the day, about 2-3 batches of 50 after every person I mass click, usually more on bonus exp days when everyone's eggs hatch faster and there are always new eggs in people's parties for me to click.
However, I tend to like field clicking better because it lets me generate eggs faster. I'm a person who prefers to adopt my own eggs from the shelter. For that reason I need to release a lot of eggs so I can find them instead of someone else's.
I'm usually also starved for credits as I'm trying to dex everything myself for Arceus rank, which means I have to buy my own mega stones, summon items, tokens, etc. and we know how very expensive some of these items can get. How is there still no way to exchange other currencies, like gold and ZC, for credits? It would make everyone's lives much easier. Right now the only reliable way to earn credits is to click a lot. I know selling items on the Market is a thing but you have to wait for someone to actually buy what you're offering which may take a while if you're selling something common that everyone already has tons of. So clicking is the way to go, at least for me.
The third reason why I prefer field clicking is because I still don't have high level badges. Yes, for people who have all badges wishalloy or higher, 5-6 clicks by others are enough for their eggs to hatch. For my eggs it takes much more clicks and if I have to wait for others to click my eggs without helping myself with field clicking, I'd never be able to hatch 150 eggs daily. So if the exp share on fields is removed without party clicking being buffed significantly to the point where I can reliably hatch a party in about 3-4 minutes tops, I'd probably quit.
All in all, party clicking is just not as fast for breeding and hatching eggs, as well as earning credits. Because of that, the bulk of my interactions are field clicks and I would be very upset if field clicking gets nerfed in any way. It already is very time consuming and the exp share only gives 1 exp/click so a further nerf in any direction would be very detrimental and to me personally, demotivating to play. The majority of the players already only party click anyway because field clicking is too tedious. In fact, I'm the only person here who does north of 200K interactions daily (though that may change in the near future as I get myself a job). So I don't really see how field clicking has come to be seen as obtrusive to the intended gameplay considering only a handful of players do it and most of them are Pokerus hunters who click both the party and the fields anyway.
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Answered as best as I could tho maybe I could have answered better for some who knows.
However I'd like to say that I party click mainly for the following reasons :
- egg timer
- some events that requires us to party click
- clicking people with hope they will click back (some never do but heh)
- or clicking back people that clicked me when I don't forget checking the today's interactions tab
- I'm too lazy to click a lot and look at fields
But most of the time, I'll never do a lot of party clicks, especially after reaching the highest egg timer level (if I even bother reaching it, which is rare). If I want to click a lot, I'll do it in fields for almost everything be it event, pokerus, daycare, fossils, etc etc because it's way much easier and less painful. I don't even care if the player has a lot of fields/adopts or not, I don't care if it's a new or old player. As long as they have S&S fields (or at least sorted by berries fields), I'll click.
EDIT : Forgot to say it but, I will also ALWAYS party click someone if I check their page, no matter if it was because I wanted to send a trade, a pm, or check their fields. I may also click any mons I see in signature and about me if I see them. It's just an automatism because, heh, while I'm here, better to just give those some clicks, will make both of us happy
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| | | | | | QUOTE originally posted by PhoenixBirch
Putting that setting doesn't usually work for me for some reason, it still shows me empty parties even if I set it to not. It also doesn't help that it shows already clicked parties once I go through a second time
QUOTE originally posted by Cryst
QUOTE originally posted by PhoenixBirch
Putting that setting doesn't usually work for me for some reason, it still shows me empty parties even if I set it to not. It also doesn't help that it shows already clicked parties once I go through a second time
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My experience is probably in the small minority, but I wanted to give some info anyway. Interactions is one of my least favorite parts of the play experience, since I have a variable amount of joint pain almost every day. For example many times I break the 'do 1000 interactions' daily chain due to this. So when I do interact I prioritize returning other users interactions, which most of the time are party clicks. Sometimes I will do additional field clicks if there is an interaction-dependent event happening or someone doesn't have anything in their party to click, but for most days I am just doing my best to 1-1 return the clicks of people who interacted with me. Thats my only real motivation for interactions.
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I'm gonna hop in with my two cents.
The main reason I party click is for the egg timer, to reciprocate interatctions, and the clicklists for the type race. Type race is when I do the most party interactions (When I'm not suffering from "school is sucking all of my fun time away" syndrome) - I'll click through long clicklists several times a day, and if I'm working on badges I'll click other teams' lists too just cause it's a great way to make badge progression.
That being said, field clicking is just faster and/or better for most of the things. Assume that you're clicking only full fields or only full parties, and consider the following:
- Egg generating - every 64 interactions is one breeding chance. You'd have to click just over 1.5 fields to get a chance for an egg. To get that same egg chance, you have to click just under 11 parties.
- Fossil reviving - It takes 1.5k interactions to revive a fossil. This is about 37.5 fields, but for parties it'd be 250 of them.
- Every interaction is an entry into the Pokerus lotto. Let's estimate that the user with Pokerus manages to get through 12 parties in fifteen minutes. A person only doing party clicks is going to get 72 entries into the lotto. A person doing field clicks is going to have however many entries the person has fields - which could be about the same as the party clicks, but in many cases is going to be much, much higher
- Egg timer - for obvious reasons, the egg timer only goes up levels when you party click. This is the single biggest benefit to party clicking, but I can remember that this was changed solely to increase motivation for party clicks
- Wishforge interactions - an egg interaction is worth 10 points vs the 1 point a Pokemon interaction has, so mathematically if you're trying to click for most of your points, party interactions are better since at worst you're getting the 1 point anyways, and at best you're getting 10 points per interaction. With field clicks you will only ever get 1 point
- Reciprocating clickbacks - simply because most of the clickbacks you get are from people who have clicked your parties, and also because the "users interacted with you" pulls up in the form of a party list
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QUOTE originally posted by Cryst
i combed through the whole thread and didnt see this addressed, so i would like to point something out:
this confused me because... isnt this already a thing? when i do my clickbacks it skips people with empty parties. might be because of my settings? i use: open users online > settings > sort method: interactions sent > page size: 50 > check skip empty parties. im not actually sure if that affects the clickback lists but thats whats worked for me :')
anyways putting in my two cents with my clicking method: i pretty much do exactly what @Canine does most of the time. party click until i start clicking the same people over and over again, and then ill switch to massclicking for rus to hatch the last of my eggs, still party clicking in between.
QUOTE originally posted by Deadlock21
I want to say again, that please if possible remove people with empty parties from the clickback list.
Also, as i did not find it in the polls, even if im fieldclicking for pokerus, i always also party click, sometimes multiple times if the host shuffles eggs :)
Edit: if removal is not possible, maybe add a "claim free click" button like the ones with all hidden fields have.
anyways putting in my two cents with my clicking method: i pretty much do exactly what @Canine does most of the time. party click until i start clicking the same people over and over again, and then ill switch to massclicking for rus to hatch the last of my eggs, still party clicking in between.
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I dont know if this is any added value, but when I'm on mobile, I prefer doing party clicks simply because the chance that someone might click back makes it feel more worthwhile. I often feel like field clicks are a bit of a hassle on mobile, especially when people haven't stacked and sorted. At the same time I've been feeling lately that it's kind of a shame that without QOL you're forced to choose between displaying your mons in your fields nicely or stacking them all up for a higher chance of them getting clicked. But that's probably worth its own discussion.
On PC I'm usually working on specific stuff, like some of the other goals in the polls, and getting clickbacks is often less important then. If I do want clickbacks, I'll do a ton of party clicks.
Though generally I feel like (and this is reflected in the replies in this thread) party clicks are rather scarce. It helps to go out and click others but if you don't do that, the clickback list is usually very short.
Just throwing this out here because it wasn't apart of the poll, I just enjoy clicking fields moreso than I do clicking parties. To someone like me it doesn't really matter what incentives there are, I'm going to prefer field clicking > party click if I'm actively playing.
My typical playstyle loop is click my own fields -> click pkrs fields -> party click until 15 min timer runs down until or I max out the afk timer thing, when that's maxed I'll play another game in between instead -> repeat. I prefer field clicking because it's more uninterrupted clicks and I'm not constantly running into parties that I've already clicked and wasting time spamming 2/3 to feed pokemon that are already fed. I know the open 10 option brings up users you haven't clicked before, but it feels clunky because it only brings up 10 before refreshing the page, meaning you have to wait for a reload every 10-15 seconds.
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when I play, I prioritize clicking back and field clicks.
party clicks are mostly motivated by returning the favor, but during type races (which is when I hunt) I will sometimes click parties on my own to increase my egg timer.
field clicks are the bulk of my interactions for accessibility reasons. I can click and drag a berry to a stack of pokemon using QOL and they will all get fed without me having to click too much. it saves my wrist AND gets me clicks.
I will both party AND field click newbie players. I like the boosts it gives but mostly I want to help them excel at the game and give them that extra boost :)
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