PSA: Type Race threads are NOT for trading.

I'm having a bit of confusion over this part in particular. Red gigaremo and egg supplier passes are not allowed to be offered like the shelter passes are, because they are not specifically mentioned in the rule. But we are supposed to assume single regular pokemon are allowed to be offered to make breeding pairs despite the rule only specifically saying breeding pairs or shiny/albino pokemon can be offered? Am I understanding this correctly? Or did I miss where it says single regular pokemon in a different part of the rules? Either way I definitely agree the rules need some updating and clarification. Also, thank you Methos and other mods for listening to feedback and giving clarification. It is appreciated.

I think the tr rules need to be adjusted/redone/made more clear as if most of how I have viewed things with the team working together the last few months has all just been us breaking the rules then I don't see much reason for me to make any thread postings past my first post asking to be on the team click list. I would like to ask what the staff thinks should be talked about in a type race thread? Like if we can't ask for help, can't cheer on team mates (no cheerleading) then what? I am not going to bother up voting the 100+ specials that get posted I would rather not get the notification for those posts most of the time. Rus postings are nice but as I rus hunt I don't need them either. A few of us might talk a little about v wave/bonus day strategy but that doesn't really go more than a few posts. A few leaders have done a little extra and gotten little conversations going sometimes about fave pokemon of the team type but if you don't care for most of the pokemon on your teams type you aren't going to care or take part in the conversation. So again like what conversations do we have that are related to the type race other than those I just pointed out? Also with the responses as I was writing this. I feel as though what is being said is the team leaders will have even more work to do in maintaining the first post. I also don't see this working very well for those teams that don't get anyone as a leader as the first user who posts doesn't want to do it. If I am making my into post to include and be updated constantly with what I have to offer then for me anyways I see even less reason to post anything else at all in the type race thread. I can literally update my into post with specials hatched as well as anything I have to offer users so why make any other posts? Sorry if anything comes off wrong or spelling is bad I am on my mobile, multitasking atm dealing with my toddler.

I think I have an answer about the PMing aspect, apart from the TR Leader preferring to see what is going on and be able to update the main post. And it also informs the rest of the team what is available and what isn't. Just makes things flow faster and less steps, sort of stream lined or less 'paper work' to use a phrase that is awkward but means the same. Also as others have stated keeping it public knowledge makes it feel more on the up and up. Also and this more so a side note so many users do have a personal rule against PMing (for various reasons), so becomes a situation that can stress the PMer out wondering if they will be ignored at the very least or causing the other person some sort of anxiety attack at the very worst (though that I'm still unsure if I understand, just seem to see it as a reason people give). I prefer the PMing method unless they say otherwise, even if it is a bit of a cluttered mess.

I think there might be a misunderstanding with the suggestion that players maintain a single post linked in the first post. It would absolutely be unreasonable to expect the leader to keep track of every single loan and update accordingly. The suggestion is that the leader add the link to the player's giveaway/loan post in the first post, and then the individual players maintain their own posts to say things are available/unavailable. Similar to the leader adding new teammates to the clicklist. Otherwise that would be a nightmare for the TR leader.

I could get behind this as a compromise. As it is now feels pretty chaotic, where leaders list what pairs someone has but are unlikely to update when things get lent out. And by opting in to being listed, you're implying that you're ok with PMs, so that whole mess is neatly dodged. I may regret asking this: Would it still be impermissible to mention what Pokemon you're seeking in your intro post that gets linked? As in "Hi, I'm hunting Charmander, and I have Cyndaquil pairs for lending, and I'd really like to do Torchic next but still need a female for my pair" I don't want to keep harping on this, but it's kind of annoying imo that *lending* half a pair is ok, but it's suddenly immoral or something if they're able to keep using it after the race, but only if they explicitly asked in-thread. I want people to say what they're looking for so I can keep my eye out for matching Pokemon - I don't want to dedicate 3 fields to TR freebies just because someone on my team might need one, when I can just breed or shelter hunt something that someone will really appreciate. And I don't want to lend those - I have no use for them if they're returned to me (since they're my OT), and it's just more hassle to follow up on the reverse trade. I think I get what you're trying to prohibit: people using the TR team generosity to stock up for hunts they might not do until months later, or are planning on re-selling. But tbh I don't really care if people do that, and if the ask is fairly reasonable and contained to the single intro post it's not really clogging things up imo. If someone has like a list of 50 Pokemon they want it's kind of obvious what's going on, and in the gray zone, if they're asking just a little too much, the natural consequence is just that their request is more likely to be ignored?

A leader would need to list more than just the post link or a lot of users won't bother. Like say I am leader I would need to have the intro post linked and some sort of probably (table list) of things that are offered in that users post. Otherwise as a normal user looking for someone with what I need i would need to go through every users posts to look for what I need. Also if I am the one with the intro post if I just say I have free pokes that match the team type then the user looking for a certain poke needs to go through each team mates fields and find it. This is no more helpful than just going and looking through users free fields already posted in the trade forums. A team mate going "I need x poke to complete my tr pair if anyone has free spares?" Is a lot more efficient in that those giving out help can see you ask for help and be like "I got you:)". Overall I just feel as though if the type race Team thread is this restrictive on things (that by the response to this thread nobody seems to find a real big problem with) then make limitations for things but don't take away the way we all work as teams. If that makes sense.

So what I'm getting from this whole thing is, make a trade post, specify it's only for your teammates (or allow others to buy the stuff, but it'll only be free/waaaay cheaper to your team) and ask the leader to link your trade to the first post to gain traffic, as well as slapping it into your signature and hoping the right people see it. And that's our solution to this entire thing. And just pray people see it. Sure, I can work with this. As long as the TR leader would be allowed to link this trade forum, I can see this working. It will be kind of awkward to make work, as the team would have to click away from the thread to see what's available, but if this allows me the freedom I'm wanting in being able to give to my teammates, I'll take it.

Mocked up a quick example. Figured it might as well happen in the same post as joining the team, so it's using a version of that form.

No pronouns. Don't refer to you. /j Thank you for the example, it makes things a lot more clear. Hopefully in the future, if this format is successful in reducing "spam", the mod team will consider allowing other items and resources to be given away (via private message) in TR threads ^^

Okay, this makes sense. But the expectation is to have it all in the main post of the TR thread? I feel like it's kind of there now with the tables showing what is available in the type race thread? (At least I have a tab with everyone's available items and pairs to loan, I think most do) Maybe I guess it could be all listed under a tab that states to PM the user instead of just having it on the thread. I still figured it would be nice to have the post in the thread because of the additional accountability and such, and it being public I feel would deter people from being dishonest. I know you guys can see the PMs and such but it feels like a lot of extra work for you! I dunno I'm just really glad to see the continuing discourse 🥰