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QUOTE originally posted by thedorkychicken

It's just. I don't know who asked for this. The Staff didn't ask us if we wanted all of the A/M's to change (as far as I'm aware, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong!). They decided on their own they wanted the A/M's to change, so they could be more "consistent"/"realistic".
Given that they're made to our specification, I'm not quite understanding why the decision process would involve anyone else? Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be funny or anything - that's legit just the question that comes to my mind. I mean... Let me apply that sort of logic to something else. Nobody asked for 'Albinos' (which are more "leucistic" but oh well) or 'Melanistics'... We just made them. See what I mean? Doesn't make sense to the include it in the conversation, does it?

QUOTE originally posted by thedorkychicken

But changing every single A/M and not expecting backlash is...sort of...willfully ignorant? Expecting everyone to go along with it and love whatever replaces their favorite familiar sprites is.... That's just not going to happen. :/
Uhm... May I ask where you got us "not expecting any backlash" from? We expect backlash for every thing we do - and every time we are correct. I expect backlash for this post and simply being honest and speaking my mind. This isn't a problem, as such, but it can certainly be draining on the psyche but it's a thing you learn to take on-board and move forward with. We've shown we take peoples' feedback in to account on many occasions now, too, so... Eh. Oh well. The only thing we do expect, to be blunt, is common decency - no being rude, no bashing, no blind hate... Simple stuff. On the flip-side, overt positivity is not exactly helpful either. Great, [person] likes it, but it also doesn't provide anything to work with. This isn't a bad thing, by any means, that's just the fact of it.

QUOTE originally posted by thedorkychicken

And I don't see things getting better as more and more of the gens are updated. People are still going to be disappointed, people are still going to be sad their favorite A/M's are gone.
To be blunt... People are welcome to give their feedback - but this is our vision. Our company. Our website. People are entitled to their sorrows in regards to what we're aiming to achieve, but at the end of the day... This is what we want. The fact we take these suggestions, listen to the feedback and... Y'know... Include our userbase in what we do... But try telling Nintendo to change the shiny for Riolu/Lucario, for example... Just saying. It's rare for a company to be so tied in with their community... And this is part of the reason why. The negativity can be astounding. The number of times I've had to step in and tell people to be so much as simply decent about giving feedback is horrendously saddening... Yes. The drama is annoying. We know. We're at the forefront of it, y'know? But if we turn around and give in to the drama by 'appeasing them', as this suggestion suggests, then what comes of our vision? We already listen and adjust and take on feedback - but this isn't a "request it and we'll do what you want"-forum. We're not taking on free art projects and we're not doing this for each individual person. If you want that, my unfortunate suggestion is that you're going to have to do it yourself. And I say this without any inkling of nasty intent. Some people who were on our website did exactly that! They have their own website now, too, and I've had contact with them previously when we found out that a paedophile that was on our website was also on theirs... So we worked together to ensure the safety of both our, and their, users.

QUOTE originally posted by thedorkychicken

I do think, in principle, this would be a great way for people to keep the old sprites they've known for years while the staff would be able to make the A/M's the way they want to.
I agree, in principle, such a feature would be a good way to accomplish this - except that this isn't what we want to do. We're updating things to the vision that we ultimately have and while we'll take feedback on-board, we're not going to ultimately abandon the goals that we've set out. Whether that means largely editing / altering the 'final product' as it is right now (as in, you only get the one sprite), or making an entirely new system to let people see the sprites that were effectively "wrong"... Yeah. We're not doing either of these.

QUOTE originally posted by thedorkychicken

But, you know, I guess you could apply this line of thinking to most any change that's immediately asked to be toggleable shortly after. But this is such a huge change that impacts a very huge part of this game: Collecting Pokemon you think look cool, that you like. Shiny hunting, Albino hunting, Melan hunting. The point of Albinos and Melans: To be cool looking pokemon people will want and work hard towards, or pay a lot for. And having Pokemon you worked so hard for suddenly change into something you don't like without anyone asking isn't cool.
I can't say anything to this barring the fact that I agree - but let's apply the line of thought to something like a more traditional MMORPG. There's a really 'cool' class / set of armour / mount and it's not what the developers want it to be. It's too strong - it's done wrong and they feel the need to fix it - anything like that... Do they really sit there and fret over the fact that the players aren't going to like it, or do they go ahead and fix it? ...They fix it. Every time. I know it's not the perfect comparison, but my point stands that they do it to their vision. I acknowledge it's not perfect and I wholeheartedly acknowledge that people are going to get upset about it. Remember what I said about backlash? Yeah. We know. We're used to it. And I can't dismiss it as invalid either - but the fact remains that we can't stop moving forward just because a group of people don't like it. We can't just sit and stagnate because then we'll simply never move forward. We'll never grow. We'll never change. That's not okay. Change is necessary - and it's always important that we listen, hear and accept the feedback - positive, or negative (hopefully just not done in a rude way...). The thing is that "accepting feedback" doesn't mean that we're going to do what each individual person wants (whether or not they want the same thing) because... We just can't. It's impossible. Nobody can please everyone - and it's a fool's errand to attempt to - and can you imagine having us work on something that we don't want? There'd be no passion. No drive. Is that something that people really want? I mean, to be candid... It really does feel like a lot of the people who tout the "I want"-attitude don't think about the people behind what they're complaining about... And that alone kills a lot of the motivation we have. I mean, honestly, there'd probably be a net-gain in morale to just remove the capability to give feedback. This suggestion alone only pushes that feel further, truth be told. We don't want to do this. I'm not saying we will. I'm just saying that this is genuinely what I think.
I do want to note that there's a point the suggestion doesn't cover. Would the sprite be chosen per-pokémon via. a drop-down menu of some sort, or would it be an all-or-nothing kinda deal?
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