Gardening and You v2 [a WIP]
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in this guide, i hope to collect all of the data pertaining to everything to do with the berry garden, and share it with you all after discussing things with niet, he let me know how the garden works and it is a lot more complicated than i originally thought! it's more than just not letting the garden go dry, though that is a part of it. (see bottom for a basic summary) to start with, there are two factors to yield - the stages of growth, and the plant moisture every plant's growth cycle is split into 4 stages - typically, these would be equal, but because of the way that the garden looks at things by the hour post-planting (that is to say, if you plant the berry at 14:26, the garden 'updates' the growth at 15:26), it sometimes sounds in weird ways when using a mulch. in further sections of this guide, i actually have these mapped out for ease, but essentially if you split the timeline in 4 equal parts, to find the actual time you round to the nearest hour after planting. the first time you water the plant during one of these stages, the yield will increase by 25% of the maximum yield range. the other portion of the yield calculations has to do with the moisture level of the plant. each berry has a 'drain rate'/ moisture starts at 100 whenever it is planted, and then every 60 minutes later, the drain rate is subtracted from the plant. whenever the moisture score is below 50, it will show as damp. whenever it is below 0, it will show as dry - going dry damages the plant, which reduces the yield these two aspects combined make quite an interesting schedule of care, but i will be updating this guide with a full layout of best practices soon! tl;dr water individually right after planting, than again every quarter section of the growth time and you'll get best yield unless it goes dry raw data charts
various berries take various lengths of time to grow, this is true, and from this, they also vary in how quickly they grow damp and dry. below, i've charted these numbers for your convenience
common | |||
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growth | damp | dry | |
cheri, chesto, pecha, rawst, aspear | 12 hr | 4 hr | 7 hr |
leppa, oran, persim | 16 hr | 4 hr | 7 hr |
lum | 48 hr | 7 hr | 13 hr |
sitrus | 32 hr | 8 hr | 15 hr |
figy, wiki, mago, aguav, iapapa | 20 hr | 5 hr | 10 hr |
berries | |||
growth | damp | dry | |
razz, bluk, nanab, wepear, pinap | 8 hr | 2 hr | 3 hr |
pomeg, kelpsy, qualot, qualot, hondew, grepa, tamato | 32 hr | 7 hr | 13 hr |
cornn, magost, rabuta, nomel | 24 hr | 5 hr | 10 hr |
spelon, pamtre, watmel, durin, belue | 60 hr | 7 hr | 13 hr |
rare | |||
growth | damp | dry | |
occa, passho, wacan, rindo, yache, chople, kebia, shuca, coba, payapa, tanga, charti, kasib, haban, colbur, babiri, roseli, chilan | 72 hr | 9 hr | 17 hr |
special | |||
growth | damp | dry | |
liechi, ganlon, salac, petaya, apicot, starf, kee, maranga, enigma | 96 hr | 13 hr | 25 hr |
micle, custap, jaboca, lansat, rowap | 96 hr | 8 hr | 15 hr |
max yield is what you get when you water at least once in each of the 4 stages of growth, as well as without letting the berries go dry
for every watering stage you miss, the yield is reduced by 25% of the max range
every time the plants go dry, the max is reduced by 1 (note: this is calculated when the plant is watered - so if it is dry near the end of its growth cycle, and you did the 1st part correctly, you may be better off not watering it. mostly only applicable to the long growth time berries)
common berries | |||
---|---|---|---|
grow time | min | max | |
cheri chesto pecha
rawst aspear | 12 hr | 2 | 4-5 |
leppa oran persim | 16 hr | 2 | 4-5 |
lum | 48 hr | 2 | 4-5 |
sitrus | 32 hr | 2 | 4-5 |
figy wiki mago
aguav iapapa | 20 hr | 1 | 4-5 |
berries | |||
razz bluk nanab
wepear pinap | 8 hr | 2 | 8-10 |
pomeg kelpsy qualot
hondew grepa tamato | 32 hr | 1 | 4-5 |
cornn magost
rabuta nomel | 24 hr | 2 | 8-10 |
spelon pamtre watmel
durin belue | 60 hr | 2-3 | 14-15 |
rare berries | |||
occa passho wacan
rindo yache chople
kebia shuca coba
payapa tanga charti
kasib haban colbur
babiri roseli chilan | 72 hr | 1 | 4-5 |
special berries | |||
liechi ganlon salac
petaya apicot starf
kee maranga enigma
micle custap jaboca
lansat rowap | 96 hr | 1 | 4-5 |
- growth
- damp
- stable
- gooey
- perfect
Growth Mulch shorts the growth, and subsequently watering, times of all berries
Damp Mulch slows down the growth, and subsequently watering, times for all berries
Stable Mulch allows plants to be harvested for a longer amount of time before dying
Gooey Mulch allows berries to regrow from dead soil more times
Perfect Mulch is the only way to get Perfect Berries
Growth Mulch shorts the growth, and subsequently watering, times of all berries
common berries | |||
---|---|---|---|
growth | damp | dry | |
cheri chesto pecha
rawst aspear | 9 hr | 3 hr | 5 hr |
leppa oran persim | 12 hr | 3 hr | 5 hr |
lum | 36 hr | 5 hr | 9 hr |
sitrus | 24 hr | 5 hr | 10 hr |
figy wiki mago
aguav iapapa | 15 hr | 4 hr | 7 hr |
berries | |||
razz bluk nanab
wepear pinap | 6 hr | 1 hr | 2 hr |
pomeg kelpsy qualot
hondew grepa tamato | 24 hr | 5 hr | 9 hr |
cornn magost
rabuta nomel | 18 hr | 4 hr | 7 hr |
spelon pamtre watmel
durin belue | 45 hr | 5 hr | 9 hr |
rare berries | |||
occa passho wacan
rindo yache chople
kebia shuca coba
payapa tanga charti
kasib haban colbur
babiri roseli chilan | 54 hr | 6 hr | 12 hr |
special berries | |||
liechi ganlon salac
petaya apicot starf
kee maranga enigma | 72 hr | 9 hr | 17 hr |
micle custap jaboca
lansat rowap | 72 hr | 5 hr | 10 hr |
Damp Mulch slows down the growth, and subsequently watering, times for all berries
common berries | |||
---|---|---|---|
growth | damp | dry | |
cheri chesto pecha
rawst aspear | 15 hr | 7 hr | ? hr |
leppa oran persim | 20 hr | 7 hr | ? hr |
lum | 60 hr | 13 hr | ? hr |
sitrus | 40 hr | 15 hr | ? hr |
figy wiki mago
aguav iapapa | 25 hr | 10 hr | ? hr |
berries | |||
razz bluk nanab
wepear pinap | 10 hr | 3 hr | 6 hr |
pomeg kelpsy qualot
hondew grepa tamato | 40 hr | 13 hr | ? hr |
cornn magost
rabuta nomel | 30 hr | 10 hr | ? hr |
spelon pamtre watmel
durin belue | 75 hr | 13 hr | ? hr |
rare berries | |||
occa passho wacan
rindo yache chople
kebia shuca coba
payapa tanga charti
kasib haban colbur
babiri roseli chilan | 90 hr | 17 hr | ? hr |
special berries | |||
liechi ganlon salac
petaya apicot starf
kee maranga enigma | 120 hr | ? hr | ? hr |
micle custap jaboca
lansat rowap | 120 hr | 15 hr | ? hr |
Stable Mulch allows plants to be harvested for a longer amount of time before dying and replanting themselves (normally same as growth time)
More research to be done
Gooey Mulch allows berries to regrow from dead soil more times than normal before the soil can no longer regenerate them
More research to be done
Perfect Mulch is the only way to get Perfect Berries - which are used to increase and max out the Affection stat, required for Sylveon and Dusk Lycanroc evolutions, as well as in order to breed Kinaster from Solynx and Lunapine
It can only be used on the 12 hour berries, those that visibly represent the 5 flavours on pokefarm - aspear, cheri, chesto, pecha, and rawst
Perfect berries only work on pokemon of the nature that matches the flavour of the berry - any flavour pokemon can eat any berry type
when you gather the berries from your garden, you have a chance of collecting certain items. the better watered you kept the garden while growing, the greater your chances.
one of these is the gracidea forme-change item for shaymin. this requires no other pre-requisite besides being perfectly watered.
the other is nectars, which are the consumable forme-change item for oricorio and quibbit, and the only way to get the PFQ exclusive pointe-forme oricorio. collecting nectar requires a ribombee (NO totem-forme ribombee) to be in your party. each ribombee can collect one nectar, and each plant has potential to give one nectar, so having a full party of ribombee with well-watered crops gives the best odds.
the colour of the nectar depends on the colour of the berries being collected. canonically blue berries are considered purple on pokefarm, since there is no blue nectar.
if all else fails, the inventory will tell you what colour the berry is, and what nectar it has a chance of producing
yellow | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|
aspear | sitrus | iapapa | pinap | grepa |
nomel | wacan | shuca | charti | chilan |
liechi | maranga | enigma | jaboca | |
pink | ||||
pecha | persim | mago | nanab | qualot |
magost | spelon | kasib | colbur | petaya |
lansat | kee | |||
purple | ||||
chesto | oran | wiki | bluk | kelpsy |
cornn | pamtre | belue | passho | yache |
coba | ganlon | apicot | rowap | |
red | ||||
cheri | leppa | figy | razz | pomeg |
tamato | occa | chople | payapa | haban |
roseli | custap | |||
green | ||||
rawst | lum | aguav | wepear | hondew |
rabuta | watmel | durin | rindo | kebia |
tanga | babiri | salac | starf | micle |
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Two inquiries...
1) "Yield Type 3: Watering when the garden becomes damp. There is no alert for this, so alarms are your best friend. Mass watering button is usable."
Do you happen to know the 'damp' timing for each of the various berries, or groups of berries? (i.e. 'every 3 hrs' or '25% of the timing' etc.) And if so, would you be willing to add that to your chart?
2) "Yield Type 4: Never allowing the garden to become dry or even damp. This requires you to be active almost the entire growth period, and to individually water each plot, which resets the watering cycle. There is no easy mass water button for this method."
Is there anywhere the bold portion above is stated officially? Or some extended trial where this was proved? I know you could sometimes override with the Old garden plots (when the 'garden' actually looked like a garden). But since the massive rewrite to the current garden format, I have always seemed to have my berries go damp, no matter how much I watered them individually. So I gave up doing so.
Additionally, you cannot get 'perfect' berries without perfect/max yields (according to the official instructions anyways), and I was getting them all the time with my plantings going damp, so that also seems to indicate it is ineffective to water when they are wet. Would love to be proved wrong though. (And again if so, would have loved to have that information Before this weeks tournament :P)
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animated sprite courtesy of blitzydragon (formerly Bryianna88)To answer your questions in order:
1) The 'damp' and 'dry' timing for the various berries are something I do plan on recording for each berry, not to worry.
2) I rather frequently have done this, and it has seemed to work. It's mainly been a thing that I did when I'm leaving the computer for a bit, and I have returned at a point in time later that it would have been dry normally, but it is only damp.
However it is true that there may not be a difference in yields between methods 3 and 4, but the data also isn't in yet to say that there isn't either.
On perfect berries, well, I havent toyed around much with those yet either. I know the Amaze Mulch is used to increase the chance of perfect berries being produced, but I do not yet know how the watering and yields affect this.
As for having this knowledge beforehand in relation to this tournament, yeah. It was this lack of a current guide in light of this tournament that pushed me to make this guide in the first place.
QUOTE originally posted by JaneCrocker
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As for having this knowledge beforehand in relation to this tournament, yeah. It was this lack of a current guide in light of this tournament that pushed me to make this guide in the first place.
I hope this isn't a stupid question;
what exactly.. do the berries do? Do they have a purpose?
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QUOTE originally posted by Mattykips
I hope this isn't a stupid question;
what exactly.. do the berries do? Do they have a purpose?
QUOTE originally posted by Mattykips
I hope this isn't a stupid question;
what exactly.. do the berries do? Do they have a purpose?
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I've been gathering berry data myself for awhile now, so I can add some things.
1. Yes watering while wet definitely resets the watering cycle, I've confirmed this so many times.
2. I believe you can't have perfectly watered berries unless they're always wet, so this is important for gathering nectar and better berry yields.
3. You don't need to perfectly water berries to get perfect berries, but it does increase the yield of perfect berries. In my experience perfect watering gets you close to 1 perfect berry per berry planted, whereas watering while damp yields about 23/32 perfect berries.
4. From what I can tell, what matters is how much time berries spend wet as opposed to damp or dry - I'm not sure if damp vs dry makes a difference, but if you water berries when they're damp your results will vary based on whether they're damp for a total of .1 vs 1.2 watering cycles, if that makes sense.
Some data:
Razz-Pinap yield 9-10 berries when perfectly watered and 2-3 when watered only once. I think the yield is around 8 when 1 watering was missed but I'm not sure.
Cheri-Leppa yield 4-5 berries when perfectly watered and 2 berries when not watered at all.
Berry | Damp | Dry |
Cheri-Persim | 4 | 7 |
Lum | 7 | |
Sitrus | 8 | |
Figy-Iapapa | 5 | |
Pomeg-Grepa | 7-8 | 11-13 |
Tamato | 7 | |
Cornn-Nomel | 5 | |
Spelon-Belue | 7 | |
Occa-Yache | 9 | |
Cheri-Persim | 4 | 7 |
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Do we have any information on which berries produce which nectars? I read somewhere it was flower color but I'm not seeing that logged anywhere. Could it be based on berry color instead?
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I know for sure that Lum berries produce green nectars, and Chesto produces purple nectar
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