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QUOTE originally posted by söbble

It just really kind of irks me that albino vulpix was changed because it looked like a "washed out normal vulpix." Like? What on earth do you think an albino is supposed to BE? I know we go around and around again with this point... But albinos are what originally drew me to this site because I thought it was such a neat concept. The new style of albinos is just such a letdown.
I'm sorry the "new" style disappoints you. I'm glad there's probably some of these edits you actually like. But yeah, The albino was "washed out" and the colour jump was likely off. I think exactly as I explained in my previous post about Pokemon version albinos. I do kinda feel like a portion of what I said was missed, so do pardon me piecing apart your post to answer.

QUOTE originally posted by Novan-chan

...With the Albino and leucistic. We still call them Albinos because of way back when Albinos were 1st released. When they were white with red eyes with hardly to no black lining. As we further worked on Albinos and Melans, Giving Pokemon far more colours and pretty much making them actually leucistic rather than Albino. referring to them as Albino became far easier then changing to calling them leucistic and confusing people who probably don't know. Less I'm incorrect. Albino Pokemon/Fakemon are more than just "white with red eyes" Because Albinos, while lacking pigment, aren't always all white. Some have cream, pink or yellow tints. A number of which have red eyes like we commonly think of Albinos, but some albinos can actually have blue eyes. This Counting for actual animals. Pokemon, while taking aspects of realistic stuff, do their own thing. Hence why we have purple cat with Purrlion and shiny yellow and green bull, with Tauros. Pokemon are colourful. So this idea gets dragged when making their albinos (technically leucistic) and Melans. ...
Last Paragraph of my post. Bolded 2 sentences. Pokemon are based upon a rainbow of creatures. All 800+ of them. Pokemon use aspects of stuff in real life, apply it to some degree, and add their own mix to things. This is why I pointed out Pokemon like Purrlion and Shiny Tauros. Albinos, in real life, are primarily white with few tints, where as Pokemon are of various colours and can literally make a rainbow if you line them up right. When Albinos, and by extension Melans, were 1st released, they were simply done however, even so far as taking away the lining. It was only Looker, Ledah, Sei and Mila. Making them ghosts. They all looked the same. While yes, in real life, some albinos would typically be white and such, Like I explained in my quote above. To which, I bring up again (and do excuse me for sounding like a broken record) Pokemon aren't all the same. What we did and what the Art Team hold by, is that Pokemon are colourful. We have their albinos and melans continue on with what we already have established by seeing their normal and shiny. Instead of dulling or making the colours white, or saturating or making colours black. We continue on and have the albino and melan be different to normal and shiny. Having each version be different. Have each one still be colourful. Granted we continue with having Albinos be called as such, even though they're actually better called leucistic, or something else entirely. Leucistic seems to be the closest term.

QUOTE originally posted by sobble

The idea of a melanistic being a different colour makes sense to me - a purple Pokemon could easily turn red or blue in melanistic form, for example.
I'm sorry but the melan being a completely different colour in melan forme makes sense where as the albinos don't? So its fine that a Pokemon can be shifted to another and darkened for the melan, but doing the same thing but lightening them for Albinos (Again, actually leucistic) isn't? Frankly, it makes me happy to hear one of the 2 makes sense. Though, allow me to note that if that Pokemon's normal is purple but the shiny is say, grey. That Melan isn't going to be red or blue. It wouldn't then be colourful. If said shiny is say, yellow-tinted grey, The melan would have a slight tint in it as well, but not very vibrant.

QUOTE originally posted by sobble

I just feel like there's such a missed opportunity for a really good system of sprites that actually follows real life logic. Not only would it be easier, but it would probably receive less complaints and it would be far more easily justifiable.
A Missed opportunity to follow real life logic to something that doesn't hold all of said logic? Its like trying to get water from a bucket with holes. The argument is to make them like real albinos to creatures vast in colour. To a System we have, which is following the pattern present in the normal and shiny and reflecting that in the albino and melan. To keep them colourful.

QUOTE originally posted by söbble

I'm just addressing this because it was @ me and I wanted to clear it up: that's not what a realistic "albino" (re: leucistic) Karrablast would look like at all.

stupid example

I literally just whipped this up in 5 minutes on gimp so apologies - I mostly just used the saturation tools. But this is what a true leucistic would look like versus an albino if they were realistic: versus regular karrablast like, obviously I think it should be paler and possibly have a hue shift but I don't have time to mess around with it too much right now. This is just to show you what leucistic means vs albino.
So, by that logic, in making them more "realistic", that means bug type Pokemon, like Heracross are incredibly incorrect. As, if I vaguely recall, Rhino beetles and Hercules beetles can be told apart from being rare or albino by the the colour of their eyes. That most insects don't actually have albinos and the closest thing to albinos are variants that also happen to be white or if they're shedding their exoskeletons, as they're soft and very light when they do. Some of which then turn white. The whole site's only indicator of a Bug type being albino would be the red star by its name. That's also rather boring. If you really want to really want us to put more realism into Pokemon, Then Pokemon that have no melanin would not have a melanistic (i.e: Magnemite.) Yes, it surely would be 'easier', to void the over 800+ Pokemon of majority of colour. Or even just having the very slight of tints. Then most Pokemon would lose some of their markings, which is also boring and I'd be sure some people would like to still see. Some Albinos we currently have, I personally think could be lighter, as we have a few dark ones. But no where near the 'realistic' approach. I would also simply just put a suggestion to properly name These Pokemon, from Albino to Leucistic, as they should be, as again, leucistic is the closer term than albino.

QUOTE originally posted by sobble

I also feel like... No one cares if the families look different. There is literally no need to sacrifice kanto Pokemon for their Alolan counterparts, or vice versa. It's a silly rule that only limits the sprites and makes them look worse. I don't care if every single albino in both lines is green even so long as it looks good??? What is the logic behind hobbling one line for another instead of giving us the best product you can from both? It's nonsense.
You feel as such, and that's perfectly fine. I'm sure a number of people follow the same idea as you do, as evident from a few people who commented in this thread recently. But not everyone. I personally feel that if a Pokemon has an evolution, the colours need to be worked on together. I'm also very much sure that there are also quite the number of people who also care about what the colours look like. Their colours have a pattern that match its normal or shiny. Some Pokemon lines, like Chansey's line, have a unique thing that actually ties the whole line together, with Chansey being the odd ball out with its shiny. This concept gets followed in the albino and melan. I also feel that if the Pokemon has a Sub species/form-change/Regional variant/Site Exclusive variant, they should be worked on together. If they have the same base species name, they should have their colours continued to be different through their names as they follow through with being albino and melan. The hard on restriction of "can't use this colour cause its on this one" will break because of it sometimes, but it very much doesn't hinder us from finding something that works and matches them. This follows up with Shiny Ninetales and Shiny Alolan Vulpix/Ninetales, as their purples are slightly different from each other. Their melans pretty much end up being similar to each other. But their albinos would be very much different. I'm also sorry you think that studying the sprites of Pokemon, The patterns they have, the colours that link between evolution or to variants isn't the 'best product'. That Making sure that Albino and melans that have Gender differences keep the same dimorphism established in the normal and shiny instead of any what colour isn't the 'best'. That going through few hours to days of conversing about colours to get on a similar page that 9 other people with varying minds, likes and preferences. Because despite how you, and a number of individuals, who don't care what or how its done so long as its good an makes sense. We do. Cause, funnily enough, we also very much love the site and love Pokemon. And we took up the "silly rules", as you say, to make them as best we can.
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